Loyal Transit Miami reader and transit advocate TransitDave sent us this great map he helped develop a few years back in anticipation of the PTP.  Dave included Miami-Dade Transit and SFRTA corridors that have been studied for years and combined them to provide a picture of how a complete regional transit system for South Florida might look. Some of these corridors are still kicking (like the FEC corridor along Biscayne) while others have been put on the back burner (like Bay Link). Awesome work TDave, lets hope the CITT gets fixed, and we can advance some of these lines.

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17 Responses to Miami’s Metro Hopes

  1. LP says:

    I hope this gets to happen one day. Although I don’t think the Caribbean and Deco lines need to go all the way up to Lincoln Rd.; I don’t think the 10 or 12 blocks of track would be worth the opposition from South Beach preservationists.

    I actually think that getting the Metro to 5th St on South Beach would be enough, since the rest of the Beach is so well served by the bus lines.

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  2. Tony g. says:

    Good points LP. The beach is pretty walkable, so bringing people to 14 street might be unecessary. One plan for baylink had it connecting to the convention center along the beach as a monorail. Cool stuff, but as you point out a political minefield.

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  3. Kevin says:

    How awesome would that be indeed lol? I agree though, the extra station to Lincoln Road seems unnecessary, as does the Deco and Caribbean lines to MIA from Downtown.

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  4. TransitDave says:

    This map goes back to even before the baylink, when the east-west subway was approved as the locally preferred alternative, running to 5th street, with my addition to Lincoln Road…..Us mainlanders want to get on and off the same train, and be where we’re going, forget about bus transfers…..If you really want a lofty goal, Imagine one ride from Lincoln Road to Metro-zoo, which, lest we forget, is the #1 tourist location in MD county…….Ah, what could have been…….

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  5. Blind Mind says:

    So this is a plan for a rail system? If so, I love it! This “city” will continue to struggle without an affordable way of effectively connecting its sprawl without the use of the auto.

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  6. WalterC says:

    Wouldn’t it be cheaper and quicker to mount a really good bus system. Try something like the Coral Gables trolley running all over the place with special bus lanes where needed. The buses would be free or highly subsidized. This “ideal” system will be ready in about 2109 if we are lucky.

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  7. Anonymous says:

    Trolley’s sit in traffic. They add to traffic. How bout something not stuck in the travel lanes?

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  8. James says:

    Guys, none if this is going to get done. Check out this interview on the PTP:

    http://channel2.typepad.com/issues/video.html

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  9. Tony Garcia says:

    Thanks James, great interview. I have to agree with most of what Commissioner Gimenez said, except for the end discussion about the car being the most under-utilized form of transit in this country - I think the interviewer’s instinct of walking was dead on. The idea of thinking outside the box with regard to transit is great, unless your plan is to rely on the car, which is not outside the box. It is very much inside the box.

    I think fixing the CITT and the previous expenditures that were not part of the PTP is a good idea. Hope that his proposal gets approved.

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  10. Blind Mind says:

    Trolleys and buses are a waste of time and money. Miami is supposed to be a major CITY in the United States, right? Well, without a rail system it will never be one.

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  11. Kevin says:

    Trolleys are a HUGE WASTE of money. Completely unnecessary in Downtown and Brickell when you have a FREE Metromover that has stations at almost every two blocks. It makes no sense!

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  12. Tony g. says:

    Kevin: what about the three other routes serving the medical district? Trolleys are mass transit regardless of whether you like them or not. Successful citites are served by multiple, and often duplicitous modes of transit. As someone who lives within walking distance of the Coral Gables trolley and uses it - trolleys are legit. The trolleys have short headway times, make multiple stops, and are clean and safe. This is the type of alternate local transit that we actually need to pick up where MDT leaves off.

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  13. Juan Felipe Visser says:

    From the Miami Streetcar Website:

    -Why can’t MDT just add more buses?
    Miami-Dade Transit has increased its bus fleet, and will continue subsequent additions, but these additional
    buses will not satisfy the need for frequent and reliable circulation in the downtown area. There are two key reasons why adding more buses will not work as well as the streetcar for circulation: 1) The number of buses required to equal the capacity of one streetcar makes buses more expensive to operate and maintain; 2) Examples show that streetcars attract new riders, people who otherwise would not ride a bus, because of the convenience, comfort, attractiveness and reliability of the streetcar. Therefore the streetcar increases the number of people who will use transit.

    -Why not use a bus instead of a streetcar?
    Other North American cities in the midst of change have documented proof that fixed guideway transit (light rail or streetcar) attracts more ridership and serves as a greater development catalyst than the bus. Streetcar routes are easier to understand; the track is easily perceived as a “direct route”; and developers are assured of the system’s permanence, providing incentive for higher densities and possibly lower parking requirements. The cars and service are more attractive to
    a wide demographic range of riders. Several streetcar routes in the U.S. are located along former bus routes, and there have
    been dramatic surges in ridership and development that did not occur when the corridor was served by a bus line.

    But for me, the most important one:

    -How is this different from the Coral Gables Trolley?
    The Coral Gables Trolley is a rubber tired bus circulator with a vintage-styled vehicle and interior appointments; its maximum
    passenger capacity is 37. Coral Gables now uses hybrid vehicles, but plans to phase in diesel engine vehicles, primarily because of unreliable performance and relative expense of the current hybrid. Also the trolley is not low-floored and therefore not as easily accessible as the modern streetcar vehicle. In addition to these major external differences in size and appearance, the mini-bus circulator also has major differences in cost, (reduced) passenger capacity, and maintenance requirements. The modern streetcar vehicle has a maximum capacity of approximately 130 passengers.

    Check out the website:
    http://www.ci.miami.fl.us/MiamiStreetcar/pages/
    and fact sheet:
    http://www.ci.miami.fl.us/MiamiStreetcar/downloads/ProjectFactSheet.pdf

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  14. Tony Garcia says:

    Thanks Juan. I think you make good points. I’m not arguing against the streetcar - or any of the points you make. In fact, one of the trolley routes is along parts of the streetcar route (and will be retired once the streetcar is implemented).However, I think for the money the city is spending, they made a good decision. Remember, the money for this project comes from the ARRA, and if the city doesn’t use its share they lose it - and $4.1 million cannot buy you much in the way of streetcar construction (updated expected cost $300 million) or metrorail expansion.

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  15. Juan Felipe says:

    Tony, I agree with you that $4.1M cannot buy much in regards to the streetcar. I can also agree that some sort of bus service will be needed in lieu of the streetcar before it is built. However, I simply cannot and will not support these trolley lines if in five years the city decides to scrap the streetcar and keep the buses.

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  16. TransitDave says:

    Inspired by the D.C. Metro system (sort of)

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  17. Rees Cramer says:

    what I said on curbed, it applies anywhere….

    Just build it, stop talking about it, finding every flaw in it and giving the ninny’s who hate everything including babies flowers and puppy’s, a chance to say something. Build it don’t study it again, build it to somewhere I can guarantee they need it.
    Rees Cramer, Atlanta, GA, April 24, 2014

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