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		<title>By: Taxpayer</title>
		<link>http://www.transitmiami.com/2009/11/23/world-center-project-rip/comment-page-1/#comment-84246</link>
		<dc:creator>Taxpayer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 11:42:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brad&#039;s property is a perfect example of adaptive reuse.  Brad took a very old 2-3 story warehouse building and he completely redesigned it to meet the new century.  Brad has done more than his part to help his neighborhood.  Brad even spearheaded the renovation of FEC Railroad owned right-of-way adjacent to his property.

Contrast Brad spending money and restoring an old building to the blighted and disgusting vacant lots owned by the Miami World Center promoters.  Have the Miami Work Center promoters built or renovated one thing?  Have they even cleaned up one lot?  How much taxpayer money has been wasted on pie-in-the-sky schemes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brad&#8217;s property is a perfect example of adaptive reuse.  Brad took a very old 2-3 story warehouse building and he completely redesigned it to meet the new century.  Brad has done more than his part to help his neighborhood.  Brad even spearheaded the renovation of FEC Railroad owned right-of-way adjacent to his property.</p>
<p>Contrast Brad spending money and restoring an old building to the blighted and disgusting vacant lots owned by the Miami World Center promoters.  Have the Miami Work Center promoters built or renovated one thing?  Have they even cleaned up one lot?  How much taxpayer money has been wasted on pie-in-the-sky schemes?</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
		<link>http://www.transitmiami.com/2009/11/23/world-center-project-rip/comment-page-1/#comment-84001</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 14:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, you say I make personal attacks with no facts?  What about my first 5 comments on this post?  Full of facts that Brad has no answer for.  Special favors?  Name one.  If the project was upzoned in 2005, it was long before Miami WorldCenter even had any land under option.  Just because the project contemplates 9 blocks doesn&#039;t mean Miami WorldCenter is anywhere near to owning even a majority of that land.  Area-wide DRIs are SUPPOSED to be paid for by the local government agency, and then reimbursed with fees to developers.  The existing Overtown Park West DRI was approved 20 years ago, the latest study is just an update.  

I have ALWAYS supported the main thesis that incremental redevelopment is better than &quot;magic bullet&quot; redevelopment.  Misinformed, bitter posts win readers and comments, but is that really what Transit Miami is about?  

Brad K seems like the perfect small-time property owner to get this incremental redevelopment going.  How about it, Brad?  Applied for a loan recently?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, you say I make personal attacks with no facts?  What about my first 5 comments on this post?  Full of facts that Brad has no answer for.  Special favors?  Name one.  If the project was upzoned in 2005, it was long before Miami WorldCenter even had any land under option.  Just because the project contemplates 9 blocks doesn&#8217;t mean Miami WorldCenter is anywhere near to owning even a majority of that land.  Area-wide DRIs are SUPPOSED to be paid for by the local government agency, and then reimbursed with fees to developers.  The existing Overtown Park West DRI was approved 20 years ago, the latest study is just an update.  </p>
<p>I have ALWAYS supported the main thesis that incremental redevelopment is better than &#8220;magic bullet&#8221; redevelopment.  Misinformed, bitter posts win readers and comments, but is that really what Transit Miami is about?  </p>
<p>Brad K seems like the perfect small-time property owner to get this incremental redevelopment going.  How about it, Brad?  Applied for a loan recently?</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
		<link>http://www.transitmiami.com/2009/11/23/world-center-project-rip/comment-page-1/#comment-83797</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 19:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m certainly not defending the parking situation there, but the reason that there should be a parking structure instead of miles of empty lots should be obvious in the context of neighborhood improvement. Yes, it was a fuckup, but if nothing is sone to rectify it it will be a permanent blight like Chicago&#039;s United Center. There is a huge and special dispensation for all those lots already (a tax payer bailout, if you will), revoke that and we will see what happens with private parking structures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m certainly not defending the parking situation there, but the reason that there should be a parking structure instead of miles of empty lots should be obvious in the context of neighborhood improvement. Yes, it was a fuckup, but if nothing is sone to rectify it it will be a permanent blight like Chicago&#8217;s United Center. There is a huge and special dispensation for all those lots already (a tax payer bailout, if you will), revoke that and we will see what happens with private parking structures.</p>
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		<title>By: Omni stakeholder</title>
		<link>http://www.transitmiami.com/2009/11/23/world-center-project-rip/comment-page-1/#comment-83173</link>
		<dc:creator>Omni stakeholder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 16:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AO might not be aware of the economy.  The idiots at Miami-Dade County permitted a massive performing arts center (PAC) to be approved with no on-site and no adjacent multi-level parking dedicated to that project.  Now the economy has crashed and Miami-Dade County is facing a $400 mil deficit.  The City of Miami is probably technically bankrupt.  There is no more money.

Luckily the money losing PAC Center is surrounded by unused surface parking lots.   Acres and acres of parking.  There is no public money and no need to build a new parking garage.  Why would someone pay $25 to park in a pay enclosed lot when there are acres of parking available for $10 per space?  There is no more public money.  When firemen and useless muncipal employees get paid $250,000 per year there is no public money available.  Plus there is no demand.

If a private developer using private money wants to buy a lot and pay for a new garage that is their business.   But no more taxpayer bailouts. Please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AO might not be aware of the economy.  The idiots at Miami-Dade County permitted a massive performing arts center (PAC) to be approved with no on-site and no adjacent multi-level parking dedicated to that project.  Now the economy has crashed and Miami-Dade County is facing a $400 mil deficit.  The City of Miami is probably technically bankrupt.  There is no more money.</p>
<p>Luckily the money losing PAC Center is surrounded by unused surface parking lots.   Acres and acres of parking.  There is no public money and no need to build a new parking garage.  Why would someone pay $25 to park in a pay enclosed lot when there are acres of parking available for $10 per space?  There is no more public money.  When firemen and useless muncipal employees get paid $250,000 per year there is no public money available.  Plus there is no demand.</p>
<p>If a private developer using private money wants to buy a lot and pay for a new garage that is their business.   But no more taxpayer bailouts. Please.</p>
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		<title>By: AO</title>
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		<dc:creator>AO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 15:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With regard to the PAC, I think the neighborhood around it is ripe for coming up. You can see new restaurants and upscale bars moving into the remaining buildings around the center, but the main problem is that the PAC&#039;s &quot;parking fiasco&quot; so now they are afraid to get rid of their billion square acres of paved asphalt lots that the center sits within. I am not a fan of building parking structures, but this area will be a wasteland until one is built and the lots are closed and replaced with retail/permeable structures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With regard to the PAC, I think the neighborhood around it is ripe for coming up. You can see new restaurants and upscale bars moving into the remaining buildings around the center, but the main problem is that the PAC&#8217;s &#8220;parking fiasco&#8221; so now they are afraid to get rid of their billion square acres of paved asphalt lots that the center sits within. I am not a fan of building parking structures, but this area will be a wasteland until one is built and the lots are closed and replaced with retail/permeable structures.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad K.</title>
		<link>http://www.transitmiami.com/2009/11/23/world-center-project-rip/comment-page-1/#comment-82880</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obviously someone is trying to do some major damage control here, but it really is simple:

1) A respected national publication has raised questions about the viability of this mega-project.  For some reason the press in Miami has ignored this.  It really doesn&#039;t matter if they closed on land in September or will eventually find the money to build it.  THE PROJECT IS POTENTIALLY AT RISK.

2) Our Government, as stewards of the taxpayer&#039;s money, should not spend any additional public funds to assist or facilitate any part of this project until the owners can demonstrate the financial abiolity to pull it off and actually build something instead of showing slick renderings.  They should pay for their own studies like every other developer.

Everything else is just an attempt to cloud the issues and detract from the most important points, noted above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously someone is trying to do some major damage control here, but it really is simple:</p>
<p>1) A respected national publication has raised questions about the viability of this mega-project.  For some reason the press in Miami has ignored this.  It really doesn&#8217;t matter if they closed on land in September or will eventually find the money to build it.  THE PROJECT IS POTENTIALLY AT RISK.</p>
<p>2) Our Government, as stewards of the taxpayer&#8217;s money, should not spend any additional public funds to assist or facilitate any part of this project until the owners can demonstrate the financial abiolity to pull it off and actually build something instead of showing slick renderings.  They should pay for their own studies like every other developer.</p>
<p>Everything else is just an attempt to cloud the issues and detract from the most important points, noted above.</p>
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		<title>By: Finance Major</title>
		<link>http://www.transitmiami.com/2009/11/23/world-center-project-rip/comment-page-1/#comment-82868</link>
		<dc:creator>Finance Major</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To simplify this for you, if you had withdrawn cash from your credit card and invested it in a partnership to buy a piece of land, the credit card company has no right to foreclose on the land. They can come after the partner that borrowed the money, but cannot touch the land unless they actually gave a mortgage on it.

And once again, you are ignoring the fact that they just purchased an additional $40 million piece of land and brought in another partner subsequent to the events mentioned in the Forbes piece. This certainly is not indicative of an imploding partnership.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To simplify this for you, if you had withdrawn cash from your credit card and invested it in a partnership to buy a piece of land, the credit card company has no right to foreclose on the land. They can come after the partner that borrowed the money, but cannot touch the land unless they actually gave a mortgage on it.</p>
<p>And once again, you are ignoring the fact that they just purchased an additional $40 million piece of land and brought in another partner subsequent to the events mentioned in the Forbes piece. This certainly is not indicative of an imploding partnership.</p>
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		<title>By: Recent Migrant</title>
		<link>http://www.transitmiami.com/2009/11/23/world-center-project-rip/comment-page-1/#comment-82858</link>
		<dc:creator>Recent Migrant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:02:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am new to Miami - only 16 months.  So with the caveat that I am new to the city, here are my observations from the outside looking in:

Last weekend I was in Washington D.C. visiting with a friend in Georgetown.  I am a big cheerleader for Miami.  I asked this friend, not a huge real estate investor but with at least $10 mil of equity (post crash) from his various holdings in D.C. and N.Y.  He said Miami was off limits - OFF LIMITS.  He called it a boom/bust city, corrupted by greed, and that until that pattern breaks he wasn&#039;t touching it - no matter how good a deal it seemed.   That&#039;s what Miami&#039;s brand is... no avoiding that.  Frankly, World Center just seems like another avenue for corruption in a city that is run-down by it.  Re-build some credibility with the community here and outside Miami by paving sidewalks, planting trees, putting in a park, etc.  

Another friend is a program director for the world bank, working on development in Africa.  She specializes in micro finance.  I asked her if that could work in a city like Miami and her response was *OF COURSE!  Miami needs it, too many mega projects (her words not mine), you need to finance small community projects.*  

I&#039;m not an expert, but it seems to me that the problem with these &quot;mega projects&quot; is similar to the phenomenan of &quot;leakage&quot; in the tourism business.  Money from the community actually gets pulled out because the larger the projects the more accountable they are to outside investors - not the communities.  That is not intended to assign any blame, that&#039;s just business. Of course, some anchors and catalysts are necessary but making miami livable doesn&#039;t appear to need (another) white knight.  It needs a grocery store, a park, and a couple of shops.   

The big question with the World Center Project is why hold everyone else up?  

To TM Reader.  I really enjoyed your post.  But do we need a Miami case study?  Seems to me that Miami is doing too little LEARNING from places like Boston, D.C., Brooklyn, Harlem, Denver...  Again, I&#039;m not expert but it seems that World Center is an idea looking for a plot of land, not a solution for anybody.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am new to Miami &#8211; only 16 months.  So with the caveat that I am new to the city, here are my observations from the outside looking in:</p>
<p>Last weekend I was in Washington D.C. visiting with a friend in Georgetown.  I am a big cheerleader for Miami.  I asked this friend, not a huge real estate investor but with at least $10 mil of equity (post crash) from his various holdings in D.C. and N.Y.  He said Miami was off limits &#8211; OFF LIMITS.  He called it a boom/bust city, corrupted by greed, and that until that pattern breaks he wasn&#8217;t touching it &#8211; no matter how good a deal it seemed.   That&#8217;s what Miami&#8217;s brand is&#8230; no avoiding that.  Frankly, World Center just seems like another avenue for corruption in a city that is run-down by it.  Re-build some credibility with the community here and outside Miami by paving sidewalks, planting trees, putting in a park, etc.  </p>
<p>Another friend is a program director for the world bank, working on development in Africa.  She specializes in micro finance.  I asked her if that could work in a city like Miami and her response was *OF COURSE!  Miami needs it, too many mega projects (her words not mine), you need to finance small community projects.*  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not an expert, but it seems to me that the problem with these &#8220;mega projects&#8221; is similar to the phenomenan of &#8220;leakage&#8221; in the tourism business.  Money from the community actually gets pulled out because the larger the projects the more accountable they are to outside investors &#8211; not the communities.  That is not intended to assign any blame, that&#8217;s just business. Of course, some anchors and catalysts are necessary but making miami livable doesn&#8217;t appear to need (another) white knight.  It needs a grocery store, a park, and a couple of shops.   </p>
<p>The big question with the World Center Project is why hold everyone else up?  </p>
<p>To TM Reader.  I really enjoyed your post.  But do we need a Miami case study?  Seems to me that Miami is doing too little LEARNING from places like Boston, D.C., Brooklyn, Harlem, Denver&#8230;  Again, I&#8217;m not expert but it seems that World Center is an idea looking for a plot of land, not a solution for anybody.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Garcia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony Garcia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the Forbes article: 
&quot;Several banks, including Deutsche Bank  ( DB -  news  -  people ) and Citigroup  ( C -  news  -  people ), are after Silverman for $80 million in overdue loans&quot;
Perhaps not in foreclosure, but it doesnt sound like it is far off. 
A libel lawsuit against Brad for merely suggesting that the project is imploding would also have to include Forbes for initiating the discussion. (Besides, libel lawsuits have to do with misrepresenting the facts - something which has not been done in this case).

&quot;The duo took a 50% ownership that Roberts publicly fronted and Silverman backed with equity, borrowing $80 million on his own personal guarantee. Citigroup, which lent $10 million, called on Silverman to maintain a net worth of $150 million. But the credit crisis diminished the prospects for both Miami Worldcenter and Silverman&#039;s portfolio. At one point Silverman&#039;s net worth dipped below $150 million, says one lender. The bank loans started maturing this year and have gone unpaid&quot; 

With one of the &#039;owners&#039; of the project defunct it is not unreasonable to conclude that this project is imploding. MB, your libel lawsuit threats show a desperate and ignorant approach to the subject. Refrain from personal attacks, especially as you hide under the veil of anonymity. Any further comments that veer from the discussion will be deleted. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the Forbes article:<br />
&#8220;Several banks, including Deutsche Bank  ( DB &#8211;  news  &#8211;  people ) and Citigroup  ( C &#8211;  news  &#8211;  people ), are after Silverman for $80 million in overdue loans&#8221;<br />
Perhaps not in foreclosure, but it doesnt sound like it is far off.<br />
A libel lawsuit against Brad for merely suggesting that the project is imploding would also have to include Forbes for initiating the discussion. (Besides, libel lawsuits have to do with misrepresenting the facts &#8211; something which has not been done in this case).</p>
<p>&#8220;The duo took a 50% ownership that Roberts publicly fronted and Silverman backed with equity, borrowing $80 million on his own personal guarantee. Citigroup, which lent $10 million, called on Silverman to maintain a net worth of $150 million. But the credit crisis diminished the prospects for both Miami Worldcenter and Silverman&#8217;s portfolio. At one point Silverman&#8217;s net worth dipped below $150 million, says one lender. The bank loans started maturing this year and have gone unpaid&#8221; </p>
<p>With one of the &#8216;owners&#8217; of the project defunct it is not unreasonable to conclude that this project is imploding. MB, your libel lawsuit threats show a desperate and ignorant approach to the subject. Refrain from personal attacks, especially as you hide under the veil of anonymity. Any further comments that veer from the discussion will be deleted. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Down and Out in Miami</title>
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		<dc:creator>Down and Out in Miami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mb above should read the &quot;Forbes&quot; article titled &quot;Down and Out in Miami&quot; dated November 2nd, 2009 page 34.  The article, in &quot;Forbes&quot; which is distributed worldwide, detailed information about the Miami World Center silent &quot;money&quot; partner, a promoter partner and the article details various lawsuits.  Forged signatures are alleged.  The promoter partner diverted money from the &quot;money&quot; partner?  The promoter bought a Bentley for himself using the money partners cash?

&quot;...says Kenneth Lapatine, a lawyer for Deutsche Bank, which lent $20 million. &quot;All we want is for the note to be paid&quot;.&quot;

&quot;The coupon has not been paid in months.&quot;

Perhaps the Miami media will discover this story?

&quot;Taxpayers get beat by another group of out-of-town con artists&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mb above should read the &#8220;Forbes&#8221; article titled &#8220;Down and Out in Miami&#8221; dated November 2nd, 2009 page 34.  The article, in &#8220;Forbes&#8221; which is distributed worldwide, detailed information about the Miami World Center silent &#8220;money&#8221; partner, a promoter partner and the article details various lawsuits.  Forged signatures are alleged.  The promoter partner diverted money from the &#8220;money&#8221; partner?  The promoter bought a Bentley for himself using the money partners cash?</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;says Kenneth Lapatine, a lawyer for Deutsche Bank, which lent $20 million. &#8220;All we want is for the note to be paid&#8221;.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;The coupon has not been paid in months.&#8221;</p>
<p>Perhaps the Miami media will discover this story?</p>
<p>&#8220;Taxpayers get beat by another group of out-of-town con artists&#8221;?</p>
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