Comments on: Miami: Water Commuting Capital of the World? http://www.transitmiami.com/2007/02/28/miami-water-commuting-capital-of-the-world/ Moving Together, Faster Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:02:13 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Gabriel J. Lopez-Bernal http://www.transitmiami.com/2007/02/28/miami-water-commuting-capital-of-the-world/#comment-4272 Gabriel J. Lopez-Bernal Mon, 05 Mar 2007 15:53:00 +0000 http://www.evolvemiami.org/transitmiami/2007/02/28/miami-water-commuting-capital-of-the-world/#comment-4272 Manola,<br/><br/>You're right it is a bit absurd that we don't have water taxis here. I am quite skeptical of any proposal, I can't really see any scenario becoming an economically feasible alternative given the state of our on-land public transit options, as you mentioned...The problem I see with the Mercy site is that it too close to the city itself, in a sense defeating the purpose of riding the ferry to begin with. Matheson Hammock affords us the possibility of free parking; it is situated near the southernmost metrorail terminus, and is located in an area where a large percentage of the population presumably works in downtown highrises...Will people ride though? I hate to doubt it from the beginning, but a lot of factors will have to fall into place in order for this project to succeed. <br/><br/>Edward,<br/><br/>Way off the mark? I didn't invent the key west ferry, it already exists, I only moved its terminal from the parking lot of the Miami seaquarium to downtown where it can more reasonably connect with local and regional transportation...Good point on the Catamarans, I think that is what is being considered for purchase...The cities mentioned are not decentralized. A Miami Beach stop would be nice, but rather impractical for a startup trial project. A smaller water taxi like in Ft. Lauderdale would better suit those needs...I think you should rewrite your comment... Manola,

You’re right it is a bit absurd that we don’t have water taxis here. I am quite skeptical of any proposal, I can’t really see any scenario becoming an economically feasible alternative given the state of our on-land public transit options, as you mentioned…The problem I see with the Mercy site is that it too close to the city itself, in a sense defeating the purpose of riding the ferry to begin with. Matheson Hammock affords us the possibility of free parking; it is situated near the southernmost metrorail terminus, and is located in an area where a large percentage of the population presumably works in downtown highrises…Will people ride though? I hate to doubt it from the beginning, but a lot of factors will have to fall into place in order for this project to succeed.

Edward,

Way off the mark? I didn’t invent the key west ferry, it already exists, I only moved its terminal from the parking lot of the Miami seaquarium to downtown where it can more reasonably connect with local and regional transportation…Good point on the Catamarans, I think that is what is being considered for purchase…The cities mentioned are not decentralized. A Miami Beach stop would be nice, but rather impractical for a startup trial project. A smaller water taxi like in Ft. Lauderdale would better suit those needs…I think you should rewrite your comment…

]]> By: Manola Blablablanik http://www.transitmiami.com/2007/02/28/miami-water-commuting-capital-of-the-world/#comment-4271 Manola Blablablanik Sun, 04 Mar 2007 21:29:00 +0000 http://www.evolvemiami.org/transitmiami/2007/02/28/miami-water-commuting-capital-of-the-world/#comment-4271 Gabriel, I have always wondered this myself. It seems ridiculous that we don't have water taxis here, but perhaps that has to do with the fact that the distance between the islands and the mainland really isn't that significant. Yet this would be wonderful after Museum Park opens, I think. Come to think of it, there is no "affordable" way to really enjoy a water trip around here, even if you're a local, so I think this would be a touristy thing to do even for locals.<br/><br/> The issue here is what kind of transport people will use once they're off the boat. You know, I'd still have to drive and park my car at the station. <br/><br/>Also, I am troubled about using Matheson Hammock for this, which is an ecological treasure. Heck, why not the Mercy area? Now they are building that stupid condo instead.<br/><br/>As for manatee zones ... the ferries would have to run along main boating channels along Biscayne Bay anyway. Gabriel, I have always wondered this myself. It seems ridiculous that we don’t have water taxis here, but perhaps that has to do with the fact that the distance between the islands and the mainland really isn’t that significant. Yet this would be wonderful after Museum Park opens, I think. Come to think of it, there is no “affordable” way to really enjoy a water trip around here, even if you’re a local, so I think this would be a touristy thing to do even for locals.

The issue here is what kind of transport people will use once they’re off the boat. You know, I’d still have to drive and park my car at the station.

Also, I am troubled about using Matheson Hammock for this, which is an ecological treasure. Heck, why not the Mercy area? Now they are building that stupid condo instead.

As for manatee zones … the ferries would have to run along main boating channels along Biscayne Bay anyway.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.transitmiami.com/2007/02/28/miami-water-commuting-capital-of-the-world/#comment-4259 Anonymous Fri, 02 Mar 2007 03:22:00 +0000 http://www.evolvemiami.org/transitmiami/2007/02/28/miami-water-commuting-capital-of-the-world/#comment-4259 You went way off the mark with the Key West ferry and completely missed a stop on the Beach. A stop that could relieve traffic on the causeways.<br/><br/>There are also options to catamarans. Hydrofoils and hovercrafts both can move lotsa folks at high speeds, one in open waters and the other safely over marine mammals... and people.<br/><br/>Anyway, all cities mentioned have ferries because they are to some extent "decentralized". Their populations are spread out separated by water.<br/><br/>I think you should rewrite this one. You went way off the mark with the Key West ferry and completely missed a stop on the Beach. A stop that could relieve traffic on the causeways.

There are also options to catamarans. Hydrofoils and hovercrafts both can move lotsa folks at high speeds, one in open waters and the other safely over marine mammals… and people.

Anyway, all cities mentioned have ferries because they are to some extent “decentralized”. Their populations are spread out separated by water.

I think you should rewrite this one.

]]> By: Edward http://www.transitmiami.com/2007/02/28/miami-water-commuting-capital-of-the-world/#comment-4252 Edward Wed, 28 Feb 2007 18:32:00 +0000 http://www.evolvemiami.org/transitmiami/2007/02/28/miami-water-commuting-capital-of-the-world/#comment-4252 Is there any talk of a river route between the airport, downtown and perhaps Miami Beach? Would such a route be feasible? Given the pain it must be for tourists to get from the airport to the beach and downtown, a leisurely boat ride down Miami River seems like a great idea. Even it the river's polluted and stinks. Is there any talk of a river route between the airport, downtown and perhaps Miami Beach? Would such a route be feasible? Given the pain it must be for tourists to get from the airport to the beach and downtown, a leisurely boat ride down Miami River seems like a great idea. Even it the river’s polluted and stinks.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.transitmiami.com/2007/02/28/miami-water-commuting-capital-of-the-world/#comment-4251 Anonymous Wed, 28 Feb 2007 18:31:00 +0000 http://www.evolvemiami.org/transitmiami/2007/02/28/miami-water-commuting-capital-of-the-world/#comment-4251 Has anyone thought of looking into a South Beach-Downtown water connection in the absence of Baylink? As a South Beach resident, I know that both locals and tourists would be more than receptive to the idea. Has anyone thought of looking into a South Beach-Downtown water connection in the absence of Baylink? As a South Beach resident, I know that both locals and tourists would be more than receptive to the idea.

]]> By: Gabriel J. Lopez-Bernal http://www.transitmiami.com/2007/02/28/miami-water-commuting-capital-of-the-world/#comment-4249 Gabriel J. Lopez-Bernal Wed, 28 Feb 2007 15:04:00 +0000 http://www.evolvemiami.org/transitmiami/2007/02/28/miami-water-commuting-capital-of-the-world/#comment-4249 Excellent Question, I'll Look into it... Excellent Question, I’ll Look into it…

]]> By: Dave http://www.transitmiami.com/2007/02/28/miami-water-commuting-capital-of-the-world/#comment-4248 Dave Wed, 28 Feb 2007 15:02:00 +0000 http://www.evolvemiami.org/transitmiami/2007/02/28/miami-water-commuting-capital-of-the-world/#comment-4248 How much of that area is covered by those no-wake Manatee speed zones? I know most of the southern shore down to Matheson Hammock is part of a manatee zone. So would this be "rapid" transit taking you from South Dade to Bayside at a leisurely 5 MPH? The site seeing would be good at least. How much of that area is covered by those no-wake Manatee speed zones? I know most of the southern shore down to Matheson Hammock is part of a manatee zone. So would this be “rapid” transit taking you from South Dade to Bayside at a leisurely 5 MPH? The site seeing would be good at least.

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