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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.transitmiami.com/2007/01/30/riding-the-rails-of-reason/#comment-4407</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 22:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whatever the financial pros/cons of the streetcar, it has to serve the residents of the City of Miami. So those living outside city limits can sit this one out.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Will it work? From experiences in other cities, there is no doubt. A well designed cityscape, enhanced with streetcar mobility, will lead to greater quality of life for city residents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever the financial pros/cons of the streetcar, it has to serve the residents of the City of Miami. So those living outside city limits can sit this one out.</p>
<p>Will it work? From experiences in other cities, there is no doubt. A well designed cityscape, enhanced with streetcar mobility, will lead to greater quality of life for city residents.</p>
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		<title>By: FEC Corridor lover</title>
		<link>http://www.transitmiami.com/2007/01/30/riding-the-rails-of-reason/#comment-4188</link>
		<dc:creator>FEC Corridor lover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 23:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The FEC Corridor runs directly through most of the most dense areas in South Florida.  It exists and it is 135' wide and it is available.  Why not get it funded now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The FEC Corridor runs directly through most of the most dense areas in South Florida.  It exists and it is 135&#8242; wide and it is available.  Why not get it funded now?</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://www.transitmiami.com/2007/01/30/riding-the-rails-of-reason/#comment-4172</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2007 21:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm really tired of the arguments that "Miami is not dense enough for transit" and no one rides transit here, so why build more?". People using these arguments are actually making the case for streetcar/rail transit. One of the most prominent reasons for building rail transit like the streetcar is that they stimulate infill development along their corridors. These medium-to-high density corridors do a great job supporting transit. Bus systems, on the other hand, do not stimulate infill development. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;See, transportation and housing have a symbiotic relationship. However one is built, the form of the other will follow suit. That's one reason why buses don't work, because they are still merely a functional entity of the automobile realm. In the case of the Miami Streetcar, it is proposed along a fairly dense corridor that will be booming with infill development in the coming years. In a strange twist of fate, the City of Miami is finally trying to be progressive by building the streetcar now to compliment proposed future development instead of just reacting to a congestion problem that needed fixing 20 years prior. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Moreover, the pro-bus argument is just not logical (well, it is Miami logic). Adding more buses to the streets when traffic is expected to as much as triple in the next 25 years doesn't make a whole lot of sense, does it? So of course you'll counter by saying something like "Oh, but the streetcars are not different because they'll be in the roads, too". Wrong. As I said above, the streetcars (as well as other fixed rail transit) will stimulate infill development that will be mixed-use and much more pedestrian-friendly. This will allow people living along the rail corridors to live a more traditional urban life where the pedestrian realm is much more prominent and people don't have to depend on driving for everything. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Lastly, I'm guessing that most streetcar/rail-haters are either car-lovers or live in some suburban-style neighborhood where they rely on cars for everything, think transit should only be implemented to lessen congestion (so they can drive easier), and have not experienced tradtional urban lifestyle. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Oh, and another thing; stop saying that Miami is "broke" because that is false (as pointed out in today's Miami Herald). Even if the City is tight on cash, which scenario is more logical? Scenario A: Do the Miami thing and go for a cheap, short-term fix to congestion while traffic gets worse and worse or Scenario B: Start implementing long term solutions now to prepare for future growth and congestion, opposed to waiting another 20 years to build anything when traffic will be much worse than today and any project will be much more expensive&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I choose B.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m really tired of the arguments that &#8220;Miami is not dense enough for transit&#8221; and no one rides transit here, so why build more?&#8221;. People using these arguments are actually making the case for streetcar/rail transit. One of the most prominent reasons for building rail transit like the streetcar is that they stimulate infill development along their corridors. These medium-to-high density corridors do a great job supporting transit. Bus systems, on the other hand, do not stimulate infill development. </p>
<p>See, transportation and housing have a symbiotic relationship. However one is built, the form of the other will follow suit. That&#8217;s one reason why buses don&#8217;t work, because they are still merely a functional entity of the automobile realm. In the case of the Miami Streetcar, it is proposed along a fairly dense corridor that will be booming with infill development in the coming years. In a strange twist of fate, the City of Miami is finally trying to be progressive by building the streetcar now to compliment proposed future development instead of just reacting to a congestion problem that needed fixing 20 years prior. </p>
<p>Moreover, the pro-bus argument is just not logical (well, it is Miami logic). Adding more buses to the streets when traffic is expected to as much as triple in the next 25 years doesn&#8217;t make a whole lot of sense, does it? So of course you&#8217;ll counter by saying something like &#8220;Oh, but the streetcars are not different because they&#8217;ll be in the roads, too&#8221;. Wrong. As I said above, the streetcars (as well as other fixed rail transit) will stimulate infill development that will be mixed-use and much more pedestrian-friendly. This will allow people living along the rail corridors to live a more traditional urban life where the pedestrian realm is much more prominent and people don&#8217;t have to depend on driving for everything. </p>
<p>Lastly, I&#8217;m guessing that most streetcar/rail-haters are either car-lovers or live in some suburban-style neighborhood where they rely on cars for everything, think transit should only be implemented to lessen congestion (so they can drive easier), and have not experienced tradtional urban lifestyle. </p>
<p>Oh, and another thing; stop saying that Miami is &#8220;broke&#8221; because that is false (as pointed out in today&#8217;s Miami Herald). Even if the City is tight on cash, which scenario is more logical? Scenario A: Do the Miami thing and go for a cheap, short-term fix to congestion while traffic gets worse and worse or Scenario B: Start implementing long term solutions now to prepare for future growth and congestion, opposed to waiting another 20 years to build anything when traffic will be much worse than today and any project will be much more expensive</p>
<p>I choose B.</p>
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		<title>By: Gabriel J. Lopez-Bernal</title>
		<link>http://www.transitmiami.com/2007/01/30/riding-the-rails-of-reason/#comment-4170</link>
		<dc:creator>Gabriel J. Lopez-Bernal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Feb 2007 16:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So your ideology is to place the train on rails that exist but currently do not have any housing nearby?  Makes no sense...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So your ideology is to place the train on rails that exist but currently do not have any housing nearby?  Makes no sense&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.transitmiami.com/2007/01/30/riding-the-rails-of-reason/#comment-4168</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Feb 2007 06:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree.  The proposed streetcar scheme will not work.  The route is wrong.  And most importantly the City of Miami screws up every project.  Maybe when Manny Diaz is gone we can look again.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What about the FEC Corridor?  Let's get that funded.  Isn't it 85 miles long and 135' wide?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree.  The proposed streetcar scheme will not work.  The route is wrong.  And most importantly the City of Miami screws up every project.  Maybe when Manny Diaz is gone we can look again.</p>
<p>What about the FEC Corridor?  Let&#8217;s get that funded.  Isn&#8217;t it 85 miles long and 135&#8242; wide?</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.transitmiami.com/2007/01/30/riding-the-rails-of-reason/#comment-4166</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Feb 2007 03:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me get this straight, you are saying we should not expand mass transit because people wont use it because they currently live too far from the current mass transit?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me get this straight, you are saying we should not expand mass transit because people wont use it because they currently live too far from the current mass transit?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.transitmiami.com/2007/01/30/riding-the-rails-of-reason/#comment-4165</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 22:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would rather discuss reality.  Miami is auto oriented.  Almost everyone is forced to use cars because either their homes or their jobs have no access to mass transit.  Or even if they do have some access they might have to leave their jobs to attend a meeting or an appointment.  And the meeting or appointment location might be miles from any mass transit.  It is not just about access to parking.  Many people cannot either stand around for hours waiting for mass transit or they cannot walk miles in the sun. Or both.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Let us use buses.  Buses fit in our budget. (We are broke.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Do not forget what happened with the PAC Center. It came in over $100 Mil over budget and years late.  Now it loses $100,000 per month.  Guess who covers the loss?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would rather discuss reality.  Miami is auto oriented.  Almost everyone is forced to use cars because either their homes or their jobs have no access to mass transit.  Or even if they do have some access they might have to leave their jobs to attend a meeting or an appointment.  And the meeting or appointment location might be miles from any mass transit.  It is not just about access to parking.  Many people cannot either stand around for hours waiting for mass transit or they cannot walk miles in the sun. Or both.</p>
<p>Let us use buses.  Buses fit in our budget. (We are broke.)</p>
<p>Do not forget what happened with the PAC Center. It came in over $100 Mil over budget and years late.  Now it loses $100,000 per month.  Guess who covers the loss?</p>
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		<title>By: madeindade</title>
		<link>http://www.transitmiami.com/2007/01/30/riding-the-rails-of-reason/#comment-4164</link>
		<dc:creator>madeindade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 18:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just as i thought... it's always entertaining to hear criticism of our transit system from those who have no experience using it. And just to clarify, many Metrobus routes have been in operation since the 1930s, ever since our original streetcar system was torn up. &lt;br /&gt;In any case, 'choice riders' (those who have a car available for use) will not use a bus if it is operating in mixed traffic, especially here in Miami, where you are generally guaranteed of having a parking space available at your destination. Rail systems operaing in mixed traffic *will* attract choice riders, whereas buses will not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just as i thought&#8230; it&#8217;s always entertaining to hear criticism of our transit system from those who have no experience using it. And just to clarify, many Metrobus routes have been in operation since the 1930s, ever since our original streetcar system was torn up. <br />In any case, &#8216;choice riders&#8217; (those who have a car available for use) will not use a bus if it is operating in mixed traffic, especially here in Miami, where you are generally guaranteed of having a parking space available at your destination. Rail systems operaing in mixed traffic *will* attract choice riders, whereas buses will not.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.transitmiami.com/2007/01/30/riding-the-rails-of-reason/#comment-4163</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 14:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you seen the new trolleys lately?  The are compact and quiet and they are easy to drive in traffic.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have used buses and subways in NYC and in Boston.  Both NYC and Boston are more dense than Miami and both have routes that have been in place for a century.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The NW 2nd Avenue route proposed for the $350+ Mil rail based streetcar does not go to dense job and residential centers.  The vast majority of medical workers at the Jackson/U of M/Courthouse area cannot afford $500,000 condos at Midtown Miami, for example.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There is no reason the City and the County cannot simply add buses and create several new routes that they know from experience will be used.  The other great benefit of buses is that more buses can be added to routes that are popular.  And all that for one tenth the cost of a rail based system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you seen the new trolleys lately?  The are compact and quiet and they are easy to drive in traffic.  </p>
<p>I have used buses and subways in NYC and in Boston.  Both NYC and Boston are more dense than Miami and both have routes that have been in place for a century.  </p>
<p>The NW 2nd Avenue route proposed for the $350+ Mil rail based streetcar does not go to dense job and residential centers.  The vast majority of medical workers at the Jackson/U of M/Courthouse area cannot afford $500,000 condos at Midtown Miami, for example.  </p>
<p>There is no reason the City and the County cannot simply add buses and create several new routes that they know from experience will be used.  The other great benefit of buses is that more buses can be added to routes that are popular.  And all that for one tenth the cost of a rail based system.</p>
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		<title>By: madeindade</title>
		<link>http://www.transitmiami.com/2007/01/30/riding-the-rails-of-reason/#comment-4162</link>
		<dc:creator>madeindade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 13:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anonymous, How often do you use the bus?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anonymous, How often do you use the bus?</p>
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